Imported milk and bottles
Posted 9:50am Tue Nov 4th, 2008 by MarkB
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Got a hungry little 4 month old boy, We've been using Avent bottles and trying to get Cow and Gate Hundry Baby milk for him.
1. Does anyone know the best place to buy decent bottles preferably avent (where the opening is wide enough to get powder in) and Cow and Gate (or another imported brand that caters for hungry baby) in Beijing?
2. Does anyone know any good websites for buying imported baby stuffs?
Cheers. Mark








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Make sure and get Bisphenol-A (BPA) free bottles. Avent bottles are dangerous (google it) recently even the Canadian Government had to finally agree that the health community has been RIGHT all these years and it BANNED BPA from foodstuffs and table wear and baby bottles.
BPA is hard CLEAR plastic, looks almost like glass when new (think Avent new bottles, once again, steer clear of those). Hazy, semi opaque plastic is not BPA plastic and while as not as good as glass IMO are much much safer than BPA.
Glass bottles are available from NUK and Pigeon brands, sold widely now because of this BPA issue finally making it into the mainstream media.
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Thanks Liora - Whoosh. We've been using Avent bottles for 4 months since the birth of our son. We were getting them sent from family in UK. Steralizing by boiling - as recommended on the pack!
I'd taken advice from family and friends that these were the best - I'm absolutely gutted and worried for my little boy but very grateful to you. I've checked out yahoo and found the following..
there's a great site (below) that lists the bottles the contain BPA and bottles that dont contain BPA. I always figure better safe than sorry.
http://zrecs.blogspot.com/2007/11/z-report-bpa-munchkin.html
BPA free:
-Born Free
-Adiri
-Klean Kanteen
-MAM
-Medela
-Sigg
-Thermos
-Mother's milkmate
Proceed with caution when buying these:
-Gerber (my daughter had many Gerber bottles that I threw out)
-Playtex
-Tommee Tippee
Avoid:
-Nuby
-Evenflo
-Avent
-Dr. Brown's
-Second Nature
-Munchkin
-Ameda
-Playskool
-The first years
There is a more comprehensive list on the website where you can click on the brand and see which types of bottles are effected. Hope this helps!
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hey I just heard that glass bottles are available on Taobao.com and probably, I'll guess, from Leyou (may need to order them, though)
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also, Shanghai Lollipop said this "Hi, yes we do carry the Medela [plastic] bottles which are BPA free. Sorry, we
are a bit behind on updating our website. Cheers, Grace"
see http://www.shanghailollipop.com/ for contact info, perhaps she'll ship to Beijing
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Today I was at Nu2Yu and noticed they have THREE brand new glass bottles with packaging, etc.
Evenflo brand. Did not notice the nipple type (or age recommendations) but they were very fairly priced at 45 RMB each.
www.nu2yubabyshop.com
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i notice that many plastic bottles have no marking on them one way or other to indicate if they are BPA-free.
I would not put it beyond local manufacturers to put "bpa-free" or merchants to claim their products are bpa-free even if they aren't.
So i guess glass is the way to go.
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Indeed.
Medela BPA free bottles are availble from Leyou; bought them at the Wangjing store. They are pricey though at RMB88/bottle for the complete set.
Anyone knows if the mothercare brands are BPA free?
Glass bottles are dangerous though if you have older kids in the house
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Does anyone know where can I buy imported baby formula milk in Beijing ?
I've checked many shops, I do find international brands (Nestle for instance) but no imported product.
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I have seen the BPA free Medela botle in Lijia Baby store in Wangjing too (the one in the big mall Capitaland at the corner between Guangshun Beidajie and Futong Xidajie). I didn't look at the price.
Concerning imported milk, in fact often the imported milk is packed in China with chinese packaging. We are buying the Nestle Nan 1 which is made in Germany and packed in China.
I know that there are some milks imported from Australia (brand Nustria? but not sure), New Zealand and Holland (brand Frisocare) too, but packed in chinese packaging.
To know if the products made in China or not and you can not read chinese, you can use the bar code system.
The products made in China have bar code beginning by numbers between 690 to 695.
The milk we are buying have bar code beginning by 400 (bar code for Germany). You can check bar code system in the following website:
http://www.makebarcode.com/specs/ean_cc.html
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For the bottles - you might want to check Landao Towers (Chaoyangmen waidajie), they have a fairly good selection of different baby stuff on the 5th (?) floor. I've seen a selection of NUK bottles in various sizes there. The price seemed adequate.
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Anyone use NUK (the German brand)?
I wonder if they are BPA-safe. Like admin said, very few of these brands actually cite if they avoid BPA (even if they might or might not).
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here's my pics of my home water bottle. Imagine the dose that Junior gets from melamine-laced formula mixed with water from one of these jugs served in a bottle made with BPA ...
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I checked all out bottled and am shocked to find that only one we recently started using is #7 (it's NUK!), and that one will be easy to drop since it's an optional "no drip" cup. Most of the ones we have are #2.
We stopped using our water jugs and starting using the building built-in filtered drinking water system, which is plasticless.
But can anyone post the relevant research link? I 've heard and do believe that putting hot water into plastic or warming things up in plastic containers is the is not a good idea. It "melts" the plastic and releases chemicals. But, as far as I thought, putting cold things into plastic was ok.
There is an argument for using glass baby bottles. It's true they can break, but as far as I know there are no other health risks.
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I also live in a relatively new building (constructed 2006), but don't know if I should trust the built-in filtration system in the kitchen faucet. The management company requires a separate fee, in addition to hot water, to refill that filtered system so I guess it's safe to drink the water. But how can I know for sure? Is there a way to check it and determine that it is better/safer than bottled water? I just want to put my money where it's best for the baby.
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We have Nestle water delivered in those big jugs. It has the triangle with PC in the middle and "food grade" stamped right next to it. Does that make a difference?
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There's almost no way to totally avoid the BPA issue re: bottled water here. ALL the water jugs are made of #7 BPA plastic.
In the U.S. there are glass bottle suppliers, but not here.
Acquaviva provides a single-use only, thin water container (it is recycled afterwards). Scratches and haziness increase the surface area and contribute to higher levels of BPA so this is a pretty safe option.
Heating the plastic, as in baby bottle formula (warming, microwave, whatever) also increases the BPA leaching. So it is MOST important, imo, to avoid hot or even warm foods on plastics in general.
Water, as long as it doesn't get too hot in the container, is less of an issue, especially when we have really no choice.
Some people do decide to get whole house water filtration systems, but these also have some concerns (Reverse osmosis creates 3 gallons waste water for every 1 gallon drinkable water, etc...) Chlorine removal shower heads imo are a good and not too steep investment. Water Softener systems are also great, but I'd have to research how safe these are for using for drinking water day after day.
Anyone who wants more info can join BOCA below and search the archives for ALIKES, or email me.
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From my understanding, bottles containing BPA only become harmful (release toxin) when used in the microwave...
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Haven't had a chance to check it out myself, but I think Mothercare, a British chain of maternity and baby supplies, at Solana may have what you're looking for.
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BTW - the latest news on BPA in the States ...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?&entry_id=36766
Unfortunately, don't foresee Chinese manufacturers adopting this rule any time soon ...
Stick with the imported stuff! Or, go glass!
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Massachusetts warns mothers of young children to avoid bisphenol A
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/greenblog/2009/08/massachusetts_wa...
Quote:
Massachusetts public health officials today issued a strong warning to mothers of young children to avoid storing infant formula or breast milk in products containing bisphenol A – and do their best to avoid the common chemical in other food and drink containers.
The warning comes after an exhaustive year-long review of the controversial chemical found in baby bottles to resins that prevent corrosion in canned food. A growing body of evidence in laboratory animals suggests some fetuses and young children exposed to BPA may have developmental problems. Children and adults can ingest tiny amounts of the chemical when they drink from cups or eat from items containing BPA.
“We are concerned about this enough that we want to warn the public,’’ said Suzanne Condon, director of the state Bureau of Environmental Health She said the most “consistent” scientific evidence that BPA may be harmful was focused on young children. “It just seemed it wouldn’t be appropriate for us to sit back and not do anything.”
The warning is clear: Transparent (clear or colored) plastic containers or baby bottles with the recycling number 7 and the letters PC (which stands for polycarbonate) should be avoided. Glass or stainless steel should be used instead. If the plastics are still being used, parents should avoid heating those containers because heat can increase the release of the chemical. Rather, wash the containers by hand with warm water and soap, instead of dishwashers.
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more facts on BPA
http://www.fooducate.com/blog/2009/11/03/15-quick-facts-about-bpa-chemic...
What you need to know:
1. Bisphenol-A is a chemical compound used as a building block of several polymers and polycarbonates that in turn are found in plastic bottles and cans. Which means all of us are exposed to tiny amounts, whether drinking canned juice, milk from a baby-bottle, or any other product sold in a plastic container or a can.
2. The chemical has been sold since the 1940’s and starting in the 1960’s has been lining the insides of cans in order to extend shelf life.
3. 7 billion pounds of BPA are produced annually, for use in food packaging, PVC water pipes, electronics, and more.
4. In 2008, more than 22 billion cans for food and more than 100 billion cans for beer and soft drinks were produced with BPA.
5. BPA behaves like the hormone estrogen once it enters the body and disturbs the normal working of certain genes. Estrogen mimicking chemicals like BPA are potentially harmful even at very low doses, such as those found in plastic bottles and cans.
6. Toxicity questions have been around for decades, raising safety issue, especially for babies who ingest a proportionally larger amount due to their small size. Potential problems include hyperactivity, learning disabilities, brain damage, and immune deficiencies.
7. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) calculated that people consume 50 micrograms of BPA per kilogram of body weight every day over the course of a lifetime. Over 40 studies have found adverse health effects in rats given less than one hundredth of that amount!
8. Over 200 animal studies that have linked BPA consumption in tiny amounts to a host of reproductive problems, brain damage, immune deficiencies, metabolic abnormalities, and behavioral oddities like hyperactivity, learning deficits and reduced maternal willingness to nurse offspring.
9. In 2008, Canada added BPA to its list of toxic substances and plans are to ban BPA from all baby bottles.
10. The FDA has zigzagged on BPA safety. In August 2008 it deemed BPA safe. However, in December 2008, the FDA’s own advisory board accused the FDA of weighing 2 industry-backed studies much more heavily than the hundreds of other independent studies. The FDA’s excuse: all the other studies did not meet the FDA’s guidelines for determining safety for human consumption, did not provide raw data, and a host of other “reasons”.
11. In March 2009, six manufacturers announced that they would voluntarily stop manufacturing bottles with BPA. Playtex Products, Gerber, Evenflo, Avent America, Dr. Brown and Disney First Years decided to so in order to preempt legal action being considered at the time by several state attorney generals.
12. In May 2009, Chicago became the first city to ban sales of baby bottles and sippy cups with BPA. Denmark became the first European country to do the same.
13. Many other European countries conducted reviews in the past 2 years but decided to maintain BPA’s safe status for now.
14. If you think you’re safe, 93% of the population has BPA in their bodies, according to urine sampling conducted by the Center for Disease Control, CDC.
15. There’s hope – Many Japanese manufacturers voluntarily stopped using BPA in 1997. In a 2003 study, BPA levels in people’s urine had dropped by 50%.
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Imported organic infant formula and baby food (Holle, biodynamic/organic products produced in Switzerland/Germany) for example here www.baby-international.com at decent prices with Chinawide shipping.
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