Do your children attend a local Chinese public or private elementary school?

I am looking at various local Chinese school options and would like to speak with parents who have sent their children to schools other than Fangcaodi. Please post regarding your experience or contact me if you would be willing to chat.

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Since I have not received any feedback, I will contribute what information I have found. I would appreciate it if others would add their findings, particularly regarding information on individual schools.

Chinese Public Schools:
Chinese public schools can be divided into regular and "zhongdian“ or central public schools. Entry into zhongdian and other schools with the best reputations is highly competitive. In order to be automatically eligible for a local school one has to own property in the school district. To attend a school outside of once's district requires a 30,000 RMB payment. However, because of high demand, entry into the most competitive schools requires both having guanxi and providing them with a hongbao. Entry into the most competitive schools can cost up to 100,000 RMB. In many schools, teachers also expect a hongbao. Entry as a foreign citizen, let alone non-Chinese foreigners, into these schools can be difficult, because schools are unwilling to waste space on foreigners and because foreigners lack guanxi. I was told by a Chaoyang Experimental School (considered to be one of the best schools in Chaoyang) official, for example, that they will probably not have space for foreigners in the next two years due to issues of space. That said, all Beijing public schools are now authorized to accept non-Chinese students, and many regular public schools are far less competitive. Haidian and Dongcheng districts are known to have the best schools. Many families move their children to Haidian schools for junior high school. Zhongguancun 1, 2, 3, for example, Tsinghua and Beijing U primary schools are considered to be of the best in the city. Chaoyang district parents frequently complain that the schools in Chaoyang are poor. Public schools teaching positions are considered stable jobs that provide a residency permit and are generally preferred to private school positions. As a result, private schools tend to rely more heavily on non-Beijinger teachers and also recruit early retirees from the public school system aged 50-60.

Chinese Private Schools:
Private Chinese schools have emerged in the past decade. Virtually all provide boarding facilities which is an attraction for working parents. Private schools have a colored reputation with a history of scams and image linked to local migrant schools. As a result, especially non-boarding private schools are generally considered riskier alternatives to public schools. While opinions differ, the best private schools are often considered to be better than most local schools (which do not require extra payment) but perhaps not as good as the best local schools (which generaly require exam scores, connections, and hongbao). Some private schools like Jingshan (known to school the children of many officials) are also know to require connections and payment, however. Private schools like New Talent and Jing Cheng tend to have a higher percentage of students who are on track to study outside of China for university, including foreign passport holders. Entry is relatively straightforward, involving an exam and payment of tuition.

What is a Good School?:
Western parents frequently complain about the rigidity, test-focus, and heavy academic load of Chinese schools. In understanding the trade-off between different types of schools it is also helpful to understand how Chinese parents view schools. Chinese parents, especially those well educated, also recognize the importance of creativity and preserving individuality. If their children are to remain in the Chinese higher education system, however, they must also consider the requirements of passing the gaokao entrance exam, for which intense discipline and test practice and cramming seem unavoidable. Even Chinese parents who expect to send their children overseas for university (this usually means switching to an international school in junior high school) or who are more progressive in their thinking, however, are concerned about rigor and discipline, and there is a wide perception that Western international schools are lax, do not encourage good study habits, and lack academic rigor. Many Chinese parents are also concerned that their children receive a solid foundation in Chinese and math. The Chinese math curriculum is generally seen as superior to those of international schools, and the level of Chinese at even the best bilingual schools is understandably lower than in local Chinese schools. Fangcaodi's international section, for example, is generally considered academically weak by many Chinese and returnee parents. At the same time, many Chinese parents complain about the lack of control they have over their children's education in public schools stemming from lack of communication by teachers, variability in teacher quality, and the hongbao system and the conformity and heavy workload demanded.

Given the heavy workload of Chinese primary school, it is difficult for children to enter the system after Grade 1 and often requires significant parental supervision and help of homework.

Schools Visited:
Jingcheng Experimental Primary School is a private school founded in 2001 and has two branches - one in Hepingli/Chaoyang and a newly opened international branch East of the city. The international branch has large, new facilities while the main branch has an older and smaller campus. The school has 30-40 foreign passport holders and is considered fairly rigorous by Chinese academic standards. Class size is around 20 and does not exceed 30. Tuition is 10,100 RMB per semester, and no extra payments are expected.

New Talent is a private boarding school modeled on Eton located near the Airport. 70-80% children are boarders. Class size is 20-30. The school has excellent facilities with an olympic size pool, indoor basketball courts, pianos, etc. Some Chinese parents have indicated that there is high turnover among teachers - although this is a complaint at many private schools. Children take a nap in the afternoon and end the day at 6pm which is an issue for some foreign parents, particularly given the school location.

Daystar is a bilingual pre- and primary school located in Shunyi. Half day is Chinese which is classroom style following the Chinese Chinese and math curriculums. Half day is English following the Montessori curriculum. The campus is environmentally friendly, beautifully designed, and the food is organic. Half of the students are non-Chinese and 70-80% are foreign passport holders. Tuition is expected to be around 100,000 RMB for the 2012-13 school year. Application involves submitting recommendation and progress reports.

Public school recruitment begins in March/April and most private schools expect a deposit by May.

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Thank you, uk04144, for this very helpful information!

Ann Thompson "Miss Ann"

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Hey uk04144, It's indeed great information for all the parents out here! thanks a lot! I am also in the stage of researching primary School Options for 4 and half year old daughter, who is bilingual and half Chinese.

Just as you describe in your post "Many Chinese parents are also concerned that their children receive a solid foundation in Chinese and math", one my major concern is to get her solid foundation in Chinese in her primary years!

I am aiming for Fang Cao Di international branch for it's location, and actually that fact that they are not too rigid like the local devision, I have been through Chinese Education system myself, and I have seen many of my peers dropped out after middle school, simply because they were push too hard and they just hated it.

Another school I am planning to visit is the "TshingHua Experimental Primary School" next to North Wester Conner of JiangWai SOHO, it's new campus that just opened last year. Will keep everyone updated after my visit.

Toni Ma, Operation Director
True Run Media / theBeijinger * BeijingKids * Agenda

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Just went to FangCaoDi (Shuang Huang Yuan - ShuangJing) this morning and met with the admission people to set up an interview with them, and hopping that can answer most of the questions from parents.

Some info and observation that I can share about FangCaoDi International Branch from my visit:

1. Campus: It's nice and clean, but still reminds me of my primary school when I was young - that "Chinese" feeling. Although the international branch will move back to RiTan the head Campus in Sep 2012, where currently is still under renovation. Presumably there will be an improvement over the current campus.

2. Kids and teachers: I got there during break between classes in the early morning, a group a kids were happily helping a teacher to unload some books from a van parking front of the building, and others running around in the lobby with a lot of happy-screaming, I guess they need to let the energy out. Saw a couple of western looking teachers, didn't talk to them, figure they must be English teachers.

3. Classroom: kids went back to class when I left, peaked in briefly, 25 kids per class, desks were set up in a big U shape, they all seem to be pretty relaxed

4. An open Library is located on the 2nd floor and right outside the admission office, definatly not as big or fancy as those one I have seen in real international schools (like WAB or BCIS), but it's nice to know they have one.

5. Other general info: FangCaoCaoDi Education Group has 7 campuses around Beijing and only one international branch, the intenational branch has about 700 students in school from grade 1 to grade 6, and they can only accept foreign passport holders. They seem to have a pretty long waiting list, and would only accept applications Max 12 months in advance if you want to enroll kids in grade one. For example, my daughter turns to 5 in April, and she should start grade in Sep 2013, then they won't even accept my application until after Sep 2012. (this is according to a friend of mine who visited the school a day before, whose daughter is the same age of mine).

6. Outdoor space: not much greens at all, which I don't like, but again the international branch will move back to RiTan this fall, so whatever it is now not really matters.

Anyhow we are going to compose all the questions and interview FangCaoDi and hope to get thorough and straight answers to share with readers.

If parents out there have any specific questions regarding to FangCaoDi, don't hesitate to send them over or just post here, so we can ask them together.

Toni Ma, Operation Director
True Run Media / theBeijinger * BeijingKids * Agenda

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